I'm well aware of that, but I still don't think that the discussion that was being had was in any way attacking anyone.

Certainly none of my posts were directed specifically towards NESSR.I was just using the example of the £3k operation.

What I said I think applies to any rescue. I would say the same to Greyhound Gap, to Lurcher Link, to Cocker Rescue, to English Setter Rescue etc.

I personally have nothing to do with any of the springer rescues.

The question on my mind:

Why should I, or anyone, support a rescue, when they’re too bloody minded to support each other?

I don’t give a lot – but if everyone thought the same, you are all F**** D.

And that means the dogs/owners needing help are F **** D too.

so sorry you feel this way,,,,,,

I have given 30 years of my life to NESSR,,,and only the last 2 with the internet,,,I feel like doing my next 30 years without it,,,,,,,,

I have always said ..pick up the phone,,,speak to people,,,,dont hide behind e-mails and pms......

My OH who is a retired Police officer ,,is appauled...at e-mails and pms,,,he shouts at me,,,pick up that bladdy phone,,,,,talking to people face to face ,is much better,,,,,,,,,,,

but please be assured,,,,,,that all dogs and people who come through NESSR are always treated well,,,,,

Why don't you phone Selina then, or vice versa?

It is certainly a very thought provoking post and I think Penels post began to highlight the difficulties that must face many a rescue of how best to apportion resources to need. I suppose we see similar conundrums in the news when it comes to deciding who gets what in the NHS. I don't suppose there is ever going to be an easy answer especially when you throw emotional involvement into the mix.

I suppose my experience first hand of rescue has simply been to adopt Jazz, now she was only about 4 months when we picked her up and still a pup and it was the least and easiest thing to do. My admiration goes out to those who take on the older needy spaniels with health issues and problems for that is most surely a labour of love and a sacrifice and they go on to give a decent quality of life too. Thankfully there are people about who can do this, I know that I would find that hard to do.

I hope that rescue will continue to be a joy, especially in saving the unwanted and placing them in loving homes, I know that had it not been for rescue helping and intervening in Jazz's situation that things would be very different here...so please accept my thanks your hard work has brought joy here in abundance, don't give up keep up the good work you do and please please keep posting and keep prodding.....I will try and do my bit to help

Steve

Penel and for my part it wasn't taken like that, and i understand why you would ask the question,if i was on the outside looking in then in i would probably be asking the same question, but the way i look at it rescue is not a business its there to help dogs, and we do that because we do get emotional and we do it from the heart, and a lot of what has been put on here is from the heart. As long as at the end of the year we have lots of happy dogs in lots of homes then our job is done, and as long as we break even its no big deal, we don't need vast amounts of money in the bank.

Like Jo said much earlier in this thread, i don't think i would want to be involved if we only took the easy ones, i personally get a lot more satisfaction out of helping the ones that really need the help, the Scruffy's , and a few others that i can think off that have come into my home scared and fearfull of the world and have left as happy dogs to go off with new owners who have carried that on and will love them forever.

At the end of the day you have to look at the individual dog and weigh it up, In Scruffy's case i have no doubt that if he hadn't got bad hips he would have been snapped up long ago, he's the perfect dog, and i'm not just saying that, he loves kids adults, dogs, cats, you can take anything off him, he walks reasonably to heel on his lead, and his recall his great, so weighing all of that up then he's worth taking a chance on. For me you can't put a price on the love and companionship he is ging to give the family lucky enough to get him

Spaceman

I honestly don't think any of this topic revolves around me and NESSR, many people have brought up valid points, both from a rescue's point of view and from a personal opinion, how on earth it swung around to me and Cynthia/NESSR is beyond me,

No one is in any doubt that the dog's always come first, regardless of whose care they are in.

This is a public forum and as is plainly obvious, lots of people have differing opinions on various issues but only when people start throwing personal comments it becomes nasty and unnecessary ,

At no point have I said anything that was meant in an accusatory manner if any of my posts have been read in that way then I apologise, like Penel has already said if that is the case it was completely unintentional.

To go back to the beginning of this topic you can quite clearly see that both Cynthia/NESSR and myself are singing from the same hymn book

Cynthia

It is only when things are made personal that topics get nasty, there's really no need for that, surely Sandy's recent post on how rescues have hard decisions to make shows that good topics on emotive subjects can be had without anyone throwing stones or making things personal.

We all may take different routes but we all have the same end in sight.

Gosh! The decision made by any rescue for any animal must at sometime or another be faced with hard decisions - i do not envy any of the people associated with any of the rescues, having to make those decision.

A while back this was posted http://springthing.3.forumer.com/index.php...fe+of+a+rescuer

I wouldn't of wanted to have had to make those decisions and thankfully there are many people wiser and braver than me that do on a daily basis.

Over the past couple of days i have met several people who are interested in getting a springer - i have told them all to look at this site before they do anything else - and i must be honest i slightly agree with spaceman - that if the rescues are not seen to support each other the knock on effect could be quite damaging.

So me, a Londoner by birth, living in Derby would wish to applaud ALL the rescues for the stirling work they do. If that involves making hard decision then they have my support, as i know that im not brave enough to step upto the mark and make those sorts of decisions.

WELL DONE ALL YOU GUYS, (decision makers, fosterers, drivers, fundraisers and anyone else )

Liz/Nev just looking through my bible for Vic and came across Silicea 30C. Now its more commonly used for the removal of foreign bodies, as we know but its also useful for Hip dysplacia, joint or bone disease.

Thanks Selina for noting I was singing from the same Hymn book................
and where the rest came from is quite beyond me,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

BUT.....Human Nature is,,,,or is, where I come from,,,,a Geordie will stand his or her ground,,,if someone is being cheeky,,,,,,
People who know me,,,,will tell you that,,,,after having said that,,,,I am also very fair,,,and they will tell you that also..........

For The Record...............

I have no problem with Selina,,,,,infact often I have said she does a good job,,,,,the one thing I will say,,,and have said on here,,,please do not comment on things unless you have all the facts
Selina,,,please do not take offence at this,,,,


NESSR is close to my heart,,,,and has been for many years,,and helps many dogs

Sadly some people have a thing about numbers of dogs helped and money
To NESSR these topics are matterless
NESSR is here when the dogs need us and our team manages accordingly

But it has been very upsetting to Find a Thread posted by one of our respected helpers,,,,,,
being taken over and being turned into a farce,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

it was turned from : lovely dogs that have been helped,,and were now looking for a new home,,,,,,

to: rescue reps. asking personal questions and making silly comments,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Yes , I,m sure you all see through their facade and make your own judgements
They know, as well as you do now, that if NESSR ever finds itself short of funds for an operation or whatever, I'll fund it myself.
NESSR is 'for the dogs'.

So I do hope this post of mine has ended all this daftness,,,,in this world we do what we think best and live with it,,,,,,

Dog rescue in any shape or form is clearly a very emotive subject. Having read the threads on here I am saddened at some of the comments made which, as a uninitiated bystander are surely quiet unneccessary? During these very difficult economic times clearly the family dogs may be the first out of the front door - leaving such small charities to try and pick up the peices. I send all my heartfelt thanks to every single one of you who help out, in any shape or form - I take my hat off to you. Funds will simply become harder to find in the near future, if not already, which must be so frustrating and worrying at times. Let's get off this merry-go-round and be grateful that there are such wonderful people in this world who care unreservedly about these poor mites - three cheers to all of you, please continue with your great work and forget all of this rubbish for that's all it looks like to me.

Quite unneccessary

Not posted up until now, well bar one.

But arguing, fighting debating are all well and good knock yourselves out but singling out people, when theres been a whole lot of people that have been
arguing, fighting and debating on this thread is just not on.

My very humble opinion of course.

I would love to delete this topic because its a disgrace how its turned out, we are all bloody passionate about dogs, our own, other folks and rescue.

I said many moons ago, why can't everyone work together ? Why not pool resources but its not going to happen is it ?

Off to the bar cos I never intended posting and don't like being drawn to but I've had enough complaints about this now.

If people would like to help dogs in need during this time in crisis as well as directly volunteering for a rescue you could also sign up on

Rescue Helpers Unite

This is a forum that brings together rescues and volunteers. You can volunteer for fostering, homechecks or transport. You tell them where you live and when a rescue needs help in your area you are contacted.

Dogs in need of rescue places are also highlighted so that rescues can offer space.

I have to say NESSR has found RHU very useful and we've worked with a number of other rescues through it.