please please help us, we have two english springers, they are sisters and are 15 months old, we got them at 11 months old.
they are by far the best dogs ive ever had, great with the kids, the most amazing temprement i've ever known, fully trained off the lead.
BUT theres a down side, where we got them from was an old guy who wanted to work them but he became terminaly ill and had to get rid of them, hence us getting them. the problem is they have been kennaled for the first 11 months of there life so they where never housed trained.
since we have had them we have tried every thing, they are that bad that they will be in the garden for hours, they come in and with in 5 mins have wee'ed or pooped some where in the house. they seem to have no consept of the difference between indoors and out.
even outdoors i've never known dogs to be so dirty, they wont stick to one area they poo everywhere, and i mean everywhere. (bang outside the back door, on the grass, on the path, even once in there food bowl.)
Please help this is the only down side to these two dogs. if i can crack this problem i will have the best dogs in the world.

Freddy was never housetrained but had issues and Piper I just don't know - he will pee and poop anywhere outside.

Best advice is to treat them as pups..........

Totally ignore any accidents in the wrong place but clean them quietly with something like Simple Solution. Conversely praise them effusively for weeing or pooing in the right place - supervise them as close as you can and use the 'prompt' you want so as they are weeing etc "Good Wee Wee" and a treat when they are done.

You might consider crate training them as a way of limiting their access to the wrong areas and being able to monitor and regulate their bowel and bladder habits.

Also it might be an idea of keeping a diary of when they "go" and then see if there is a pattern that you can try and pre-empt so you have them outside and can treat them for doing it in the right place?

we did the create training for one month with a large german shepard create, this worked but was a pain as it was big in the house so i turned our cupbord under the stairs in to there bed.i took the door off and put a stair gate up. painted it all out and put lino down on the floor, then put an old duvet in for a bed. the cupbord is a bit bigger than the crete was.
AND GUESS WHAT they keep weeing in there. AAAAARRRRRRRRRRHHHHHHHHHH
i really hate the idea of having to make it smaller as it just seems cruel to kep them in such a confind space.

I hve an ols girl who was kenneled for 11 years and is now in the house, iut's hard work, but we're getting there, just what Sue says, keep praising the good and ignoring the bad

Are you actually taking them in the garden, and waiting with them until they wee or poo ? and then reward them when they do. I would keep a clicker on you, and treats - take them in the garden say once every hour or two, wait for them to wee and poo - then CLICK and treat ! you have to TRAIN them to do it because they were never house trained. Morris is 11 months old now, we got him at 6 months old, and I have to make sure he has weed and pooed outside or he will wee in the house - he doesn't ask to go out - I have to make him.

and clean any areas with BIO washing liquid

Yes, definitely clean up the wee with proper stuff that gets rid of the smell.

Tarn was a bit of a nightmare to get to poo outside. She had been raised on newspaper and kept waiting until she was back in her cage to do one. We perservered and stsood outside for AGES and she is now pooing outside. Just need to get the weeing under control but at least it's only in her cage. Reason I don't like training on newspaper.

Kennel dogs do take a while but they should be clean on their beds. It is just a case of perserverence and taking them out every couple of hours, after feeds and when they wake up.

Helen