Freedom fence/shock collars

Following a conversation I would be interested to hear views on so called freedom fences.Personally speaking we think this should be banned, if you cant control your dog with a fence either dont have one or train it properly!!

Unfortunately these freedom fences seem to beoming more popular, we have had to turn down a couple of homes recently because of there use

I'm probably stupid....but what's is a 'freedom fence'

QUOTE (Niknak @ July 24, 2008 10:25 am)

I'm probably stupid....but what's is a 'freedom fence'

Same question. I don't know either.
Sue

shock collar and electric fence

http://www.canicom.co.uk/canifence.htm?gcl...CFQ9KQgodX3-VmA

Now thats not nice. Surely that's one of the first things of a good dog owner is to have a safe enclosed area for your dog. Also it doesn't stop anyone stealing your dog if it's not in a secure enclosed area.

Can't believe people really use them.

Sue

That's horrible

Bet it would be illegal to use them on children, but it O.K. on dogs???

It's just a quick fix for lazy owners

IMO they are awful

We had one poor dog in at work who went too near the perimeter, got an electric shock, raced the wrong way (ie through the fence) and got run over

How is the dog supposed to actually know where the shock has cme from?
Also once I was admitting a cat whose stupid (sorry but no other word for it) owner had not taken the 'freedom collar' off before leaving her property, the poor cat must have got repeated shocks but when I pointed this out the owner seemed to find it amusing

Grrr!
XX

When I spent time in the states, I was placed with people who had dogs. All but one (and I stayed with a total of 11 families) had these for their dogs. I had to grin and bear it, different customs and ideas etc - but it is quite common place over there.

I did hear about a couple of incidences when a dog had chased something through the fence (adrenaline so high they didn't feel the shock) and then they couldn't get back onto the safe side

There was also an occasion when I was staying with the most wonderful couple and their Berner 'Bentley' - one evening Bentley was going bonkers outside - I peek out the window and there is a momma bear and her cubs trashing the garden - Bentley chased them, but slammed the breaks on before he got to the flags

not impressed with this ,fashion item for lazy owners

Dreadful things - apart from the issues already mentioned, there's also the point that any rival dog might enter the grounds freely, your dog tries chasing him off, they approach the invisible fence in the skirmish, your dog gets wacked while the aggressor is left untouched.....

All of this will not help the dog to communicate in a natural canine way with other dogs and will not exercise the dog if the owner won't do it. I am in two minds about unsupervised dogs left in gardens anyway - if that garden does not have any fences that work both ways I am wholly against it. Such an area must be really secure against both break in or break out when the temptation is high. Every dog understands a visible, tactile fence - an unseen, unsensed fence that only works for him is quite outside canine understanding!